This podcast focuses on business-related stories, usually about famous business people or the history of big companies. The two hosts take turns researching a project and then tell the other person about it, in a genuine conversation. Because the hosts focus on the same topic for at least an hour, sometimes considerably longer, this is suitable for extensive listening if you already have a decent listening ability.

Note that while this is not a learner podcast, I would say that the format makes it easier to follow than many similar podcasts. I've provided a link to 小宇宙 here, but you can listen on most podcasting platforms.

Recommended entry points: Find an episode about a person or company you know. Being familiar with the topic helps tremendously.

Official description: 财经媒体人和互联网产品老兵，跟你讲述商业背后的故事。 来杯半拿铁，咱们边喝边唠。